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Ethan Edwards's avatar

I quite liked this review, kept my interest throughout and I'm probably going to keep thinking about it and read some more books as a follow-up since I think your overall point that this idea is important and under-discussed is true. That's pretty much my criterion for a successful piece of writing, so I think you've succeeded.

The humor was good. I didn't laugh at everything, but did laugh out loud at the "any economic theory whatsoever." I think if anything more space between jokes would help, since they fell a little flatter when closely sequenced together.

I'm convinced that the kind of bullshit jobs you talk about are indeed real and very frustrating. I read the first parts of the book years ago and I remember being confused if Graeber thought the jobs were inherently unproductive and could be eliminated or if they are unproductive consequences of a complex system. I thought Graeber was arguing the former and I see you as arguing the latter, which I find to be defensible and compelling, so overall I think I was convinced that you understood Graeber better.

I think sections IV and V are very strong in this format and I was very convinced you were improving on Graeber's ideas. The basic arguments about planned economies having less of this stuff were surprising and gripping and I'm going to keep thinking about them. The section on rickshawing was also excellent, and a great term for something I've wondered about.

I have worked jobs that meet Graeber's definition, and especially what strikes me is just how murky the actual purpose of so many jobs is. Technological development for example can have real effects on people's lives and economic productivity, but can also be used as a tool in zero-sum budget fights within large semi-feudal organizations. But to win budget fights with technology, one needs to pretend that the technology is going to have a real effect. Most people seem fine with it, but I find it to be quite difficult. It seems clear to me that the stated purpose of a job and what the job actually achieves are extremely far apart, but most people weirdly don't seem to mind? The post-2007 trend of large corporations justifying themselves to their employees with social impact buzz words like sustainability and diversity seems to me deeply personally unsatisfying, because clearly these things are not the actual priorities of large corporations, compared to an old school Adam Smith/Wall Street "seeking profit is to the benefit of all" but I may be wrong there. One thing I'd like to look more into after your review is the Marxist and post-Marxist theory of alienated labor which feels relevant and might be due for a rehabilitation away from post-structuralist humanities academia.

I imagine that the political angle would be alienating for some, but I was fine with it and felt this was an inherently political topic. All claims were justified and seemed to be coming from a place of knowledge and openness.

Hope this helps, great stuff.

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Alex Potts's avatar

Okay, this was a cool review that really changed my perception of the bullshit jobs idea, which I had previously dismissed (I started this review looking forward to you tearing it a new one!) Thank you for knocking down my unearned confidence.

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