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You are describing people living in a society - any functioning society - as not free. The two alternatives free from state property enforcement you describe are a hunter-gatherer and a pirate ship. To present them in this light you have to really stretch the truth for both. You have to imagine the hunter-gatherer to be living outside of a tribe and far from other tribes. In reality, very few people lived like that; the dictate of a small parochial group balancing on the edge of survival is something that even North Koreans would dread. The level of tribe violence was also pretty high with warfare mortality estimated at over 25% for some societies. Pirate ships might have lacked state property enforcements, but the whole point of a pirate ship was to be an instrument of violent property re-distribution. For those in-group on a pirate ship, property rights were enforced much more brutally than they would have been administered by most states at the time, with death penalty imposed for many infingements. I think a death penalty is a far greater assault on liberty than a short arrest. So it looks like the only free alternative society you see is an imaginary lone hunter-gatherer on a virgin continent. The problem with this is that a single person is not a society at all and the moment you remember how hunter-gatherers actually lived, you realise that they were not free at all. If you are unhappy with capitalist or socialist ways to organise a society, it would help to describe an alternative. If there is no alternative, it means that even if "civilisation is inherently unfree", a society lacking a civilisation is much more unfree.

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Love the post overall. But some bits "just ain't so". Particularly

> In his own time, [an ancient hunter-gatherer] was free to go where he pleased and sustain himself on anything he could find. In the modern world, he finds himself surrounded by things he could use, but isn’t allowed to.

That's not how it worked, ever. There would very seldom be an ancient H-G who ambles around anywhere he wants by himself.

There were tribes. Tribes held their territories. You could do most anything within your territory, yes, but the tribes had rules about how the collected resources were used by the tribes-members. Those H-Gs that ambled around by themselves would be the few who got exiled from their tribe for not abiding by the tribe's rules. And so they'd amble alone for a while until some bear or wolf-pack ate them.

Even for the non-exiled tribesman, "go where he pleased" bit stopped at the boundary of that tribe's territory. Those boundaries could shift, and did, but some skull-bashing and gut-piercing exchanges had to occur first. (people *understood* the meaning of "territory" ever since back when they were fishes that flopped out to the seashore). And "free usage of obtained resources" was well regulated by the tribe's internal rules and pecking order. Anything else is a Rousseauian fantasy.

Civilization has introduced regulated rules of private property as the necessary facilitation for building up kingdoms or empires that are quite larger than a tribe; the tribe was broken down into what we now call "extended families" to facilitate such larger-scale integrations. The demands of the industrial revolution have further broken down those extended families into nuclear families, to sustain a more frictionless capitalism, by making the workforce more fungible / relocatable / interchangeable. We're at the final stage, where the nuclear family is being further broken up into a sea of consumerist-workdrone individuals. The abolishing of gender roles started about a century ago, and the abolishing of genders started relatively recently.

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